Introductory flights

Francesco Daniele Padovano • 21 November 2022
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In relation to introductory flights performed by an FI it is not clear how to record this in the log book to take into account recent experience activity.
SAO.GEN.115 Introductory Flights sets out the conditions of the flight but does not define the flight itself, leaving open the difference between a one person ride (sits in the rear cockpit of the glider) and a flight that is a first session itself (the passenger sits in the front cockpit and has access to the glider's controls).
I understand that an introductory flight is not a glider ride, the passenger being a fully fledged lesson even though he/she has not been registered as a student as the operation is not considered as part of a regulated course.
Based on the SFCL.325 FI(s) competencies and assessment we can clearly see that during this kind of flight the instructor:
a) prepare resources
b) create a climate conducive to learning
c) present knowledge
d) integrate threat and error management (TEM) and crew resources management
e) manage time to achievetraining objectives
f) facilitate learning
h) monitor and review progress
i) evaluate training session
so really the only task that is not done is to record the outcome of the training session.
If we also check the competences described in the AMC1 SFCL.325 FI(s) competences and assessment, we can see that during the introductory flight the FI's performance complies with almost all the competency indicators.
As a general rule, we can be sure that in an introductory flight the minimums described in AMC2 SFCL.130 SPL (5) list of excercise (1), (2), (3), (4) and partly (5) (primary effect of the controls) are fulfilled.
By checking in addition to the ICAO DOC.9995 the description of the competences applicable to an FI and their relative observable elements, we can see that during an introductory flight we should observe the vast majority of the descriptor elements of competence, in particular IE1; IE2; IE3; IE4.
From the above I consider that, for the purpose of computing recent experience, these flights should be able to be recorded in the log book as instructional flights since, for safety purposes, it is not the formalism that is the activity actually performed.
I would like to know your opinion and more particularly the official EASA position on this matter, which I cannot deduce from the regulations.
Happy landings to all!

Comments (9)

Zoltán Mészáros

We always record it as FI(S) time. This is an instructional activity as for example the FI has the right to handle over the control to the "applicants".

Lars-Henrik Eriksson

The definition of "Introductory flight" in the glider Ops regulation (2018/1976) part-DEF is :

‘introductory flight’ means any operation with a sailplane against remuneration or other valuable consideration consisting of an air tour of short duration for the purpose of attracting new trainees or new members, performed either by a training organisation referred to in Article 10a of Commission Regulation (EU) No 1178/20111 or by an organisation created with the aim of promoting aerial sport or leisure aviation;

So an introductory flight is NOT instructional activity. The pilot need not hold any FI rating and the flight need not even be carried out by a training organisation.

(By the way, the definition of "Introductory flight" for powered aircraft is identical except that the words "with a sailplane" are omitted.)

Francesco Daniele Padovano

Dear Lars, I understand that this type of flight is not considered as part of a course, in fact the objetive is not a licence, but this is not the cuestion I put on. The question is if I can log this time as FI.
In my humble opinion to comply with a minimum experience as FI to mantain recency requirements privileges is based on the need to have experienced flight instructor. Considering that in an introductory flight ( that could be more than one, for example 10) not oriented to obtain a licence, you act as FI, I found logical that you could log this time as FI and not only as PIC because you are using all the FI necessary competence.
Actually I am flying with a group of social risk exclusion childrens (they do not pay any euro for that) using the gliding as motivational instrument. The object is not reach a licence (because this will be not possible) but the learning objetive: to maintain a stright an level flight and perform turnings correctly, is clearly an isntructional action. By this the children realize that, being able to fly, they can face others ordinary difficulties they find day by day in their life. Of course this is far from be an instructional program oriented to a licence and at the same time far to be a simple introductory flight as defined in the rules. The true is that I am acting as FI in this program.
Actually I am not able to find in any rules or AMC about how to log this time if you are an FI. Till now I have logged all this time as simple PIC but after considering the competence I use for such flights why not consider that time acting as FI?.
Anyway I have wrote to EASA and hope I will receive soon an answer.
Aniway thank a lot for your answer and to spent some time to read my post, exchanging ideas is always a good thing!
Happy landings

PD: thank you Zoltan too.

Lars-Henrik Eriksson

I would say that if you are actually instructing -- in the sense of letting the "visitor" fly the aircraft -- then it's not an introductory flight but flight training and then you can log instruction time.

Zoltán Mészáros

Dear Lars!
The definition of introductory flight is just a definition. How to perform this type of flight is other matter. In Hungary the "competent" authority has the rule on this matter. In case of gliders: Minimum half an hour theoretical instruction to the applicants before the flight, the applicants can occupie the PILOT seat (I mean the PIC seat) and can control the plane, and for all this need to be an instructor on board. At least that was the regulation in the past. But it seems to be there is no more regulation at the moment than the day VFR, and A-A operation. Not even the limit of other passangers on board (airplane) So, I don't know any more.

Lars-Henrik Eriksson

It's doubtful to me that the Hungarian authorities have the right to impose such rules. (That would by no means be the first time a national authority exceeded the limits placed on them by EASA.) If it bothers you, you could raise the issue with EASA.

Francesco Daniele Padovano

Dear friends, thanks a lot to you both about your comments. Obviously there are different points of view depending of the country. Unfortunately the rules could be understanded in different way when some details are based upon the logic and are not well defined.
I feell there is a certain lack from EASA regarding how to log the flight time in this case. If EASA do not clear this point: an introductory flight performed by an FI, every NAA could decide in different ways creating a certain confusion around.
As I told before, considering the competence criterion that, as FI, they apply to the fligth, the time and landings could be easily registered in the log book as a FI operation in my humble opinion.
Thank you again for your help. Happy landings

Zoltán Mészáros

So a final comment. In Hungary the competent authority made a detailed instruction on this topic according to NCO.GEN.103(d) and ARO.OPS.300. This rule says:
1. There are a lot of operational requirements, like special insurance, NO MIP allowed etc.
2. The PIC must have an FI certificate!!! and must be a member of the organization which doing the Introductory flight!!!
3. Maximum flight time is limited to 30 minutes
4. Maximum 2 persons (PIC+guest) on board allowed!!!
5. Departure and arrival on the same airport (exept for sailplanes and balloons), and the flight should remain within 10 NM of the airfield.
6. This document also said this activity is NOT a training flight, so probably the FI can not log it as an instructional time. (this against my first toughts)

So every country could have a very different approach and rules on this matter.

Best regards, Have a nice (introductory) landing

Lars-Henrik Eriksson

ARO.OP.300 states that the additional rules must "ensure safe operations and be proportionate." Arguably that's not the case with all the conditions imposed by the Hungarian authorities. E.g. special insurance has no relation to safety and requiring the PIC to have an FI is not proportionate. But that's a problem for hungarians.

As an aside, Swedish authorities recently proposed – among other things – a *minimum* flight time of 30 minutes (yes, really!). That proposal was thoroughly shot down but it shows (as does the Hungarian case) how differently national authorities can view things and how much they dislike some things that EASA regulations permit.

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