DTO equivalent to EASA Form 143 ?

Christian Chaix • 13 July 2020

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Dear GA Community,

I belong to a flying club who took part in the initial ATO adventure, but preferred to steer the DTO way once it was available.
When under ATO regulations, the local CAA (French DGAC) had provided a certificate for display in the premises, made using EASA Form 143.

Is there such an equivalent for DTO ? I understand the system is not the same, yet commitments are made to uphold given standards, and as long as the DTO number is granted, this represents a level of recognition by the Authority, by EASA with delegation from the NAA.
At the very least, this is my understanding of it.

I'm asking this because the only document that was delivered is a mail letter stating the grant of this DTO number and listing the applicable mentions (courses and training programs), that resembles much of what an EASA document would show, but not on an actual EASA template though.

Thanks for your replies !

Comments (5)

Antoine ROGUES • 3 years ago

Hello,
I have the exact same question. We perform a SEP renewal with training to some foreign licence pilot and their NAA request a DTO form.
The DGAC did not provide this when declared DTO.
I ask the DGAC but no answer so far (few days ago).

Thanks,
Antoine Rogues

Dominique Roland • 3 years ago

Dear Antoine,
There is no equivalent to EASA Form 143 (ATO approval certificate) for DTOs, because DTOs are not approved – that is the essential difference compared to ATOs. There is only a specific approval certificate for approving balloon or sailplane examiner courses for DTOs (since this is required by Part-DTO, see Appendix VIII to Part-ARA), but, again, a general approval certificate for the DTO itself does not exist and would be inconsistent with the whole DTO idea. The DTO declaration is a document you could use to document the status of your organisation.
Best regards,
Dominique

Antoine ROGUES • 3 years ago

Thanks Dominique. The FOCA accept the letter from ou DSAC so it's fine now.

Hans Bogaerts • 3 years ago

Hi Christian.
The difference between an ATO and a DTO is that no approval is required. As a consequence there is no approval form either.
A solution we suggested for the Flemish Aeroclubs (Dutch speaking part of Belgium) was to make a safety policy, let the head of training and DTO representative sign it and hang it out in the club house.
That corresponds to the concept of a DTO: instead of seeking approval as in an ATO, you declare which training courses you will give, and that you will operate according to your approved training plans and according to all regulations.

Christian Chaix • 3 years ago

Thank you all for your feedback.
I understand the difference in notions, but even though both levels are EASA-regulated, only one gets an EASA issued document.
Since the ATO certificate was hung on the wall, I was merely seeking for an as official equivalent.

The NAA document, even delegated from EASA, will indeed be enough.
An EASA acknowledgement, even not a certificate, would have made - imho - some sense, for the sake of continuity in issuing authority.

Best regards,
Christian

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